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Belt Scout
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Posted - 2014.03.23 23:45:00 -
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Nidal Fervor wrote:Prie Mary wrote:Nidal Fervor wrote:Isboxer allows a person to farm with far more accounts than they would normally be able to handle, it allows them to farm for much longer periods without becoming too stressed and earn a lot more isk.
Botting allows a person to farm with far more accounts than they would normally be able to handle, it allows them to farm for much longer periods without becoming too stressed and earn a lot more isk.
Why is Isboxer allowed? It's just another form of botting. Isboxer requires a person to be active and input all commands. Botting is completely automated not requiring any user input. How are these the same? Botting is not illegal because it can be automated, it's illegal because it's 3rd party software and gives a huge advantage it gives over those who don't bot. Isboxer is 3rd party software that gives a huge advantage over those who don't use it. So it's not automated, it's still 3rd party software that gives a huge advantage over those who don't use it. Just because it's not automated it should be allowed? Not according to the Eula. It's the advantage given over normal players that makes it an offense.
More tears please. I have 40 procurers that all need a carwash after a hard weekend at work.
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Belt Scout
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.23 23:50:00 -
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Nidal Fervor wrote:Belt Scout wrote:Nidal Fervor wrote:Prie Mary wrote:Nidal Fervor wrote:Isboxer allows a person to farm with far more accounts than they would normally be able to handle, it allows them to farm for much longer periods without becoming too stressed and earn a lot more isk.
Botting allows a person to farm with far more accounts than they would normally be able to handle, it allows them to farm for much longer periods without becoming too stressed and earn a lot more isk.
Why is Isboxer allowed? It's just another form of botting. Isboxer requires a person to be active and input all commands. Botting is completely automated not requiring any user input. How are these the same? Botting is not illegal because it can be automated, it's illegal because it's 3rd party software and gives a huge advantage it gives over those who don't bot. Isboxer is 3rd party software that gives a huge advantage over those who don't use it. So it's not automated, it's still 3rd party software that gives a huge advantage over those who don't use it. Just because it's not automated it should be allowed? Not according to the Eula. It's the advantage given over normal players that makes it an offense. More tears please. I have 40 procurers that all need a carwash after a hard weekend at work. And I bet you pay for those 40 ice mining accounts with plex you buy from the market too. What do you contribute to EVE? Probably play for free, with all those accounts, using up server resources, and driving normal players out of the game. Sounds no different than the damage done by botters.
Where do u think the plex i buy came from Einstein? People purchasing them from CCP. I help the market way more than you do, thats for damn sure.
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Belt Scout
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.24 00:07:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Nidal Fervor wrote:Belt Scout wrote: Where do u think the plex i buy came from Einstein? People purchasing them from CCP. I help the market way more than you do, thats for damn sure.
So you don't put any actual money into EVE, yet you think you are helping EVE just because you use plex that someone else bought? There will always be people buying plex for real money, the more people like that, the better. The less people like you, running 40 accounts that you don't pay for, the better. Every single PLEX in the game has been paid for at some point by someone. What happens with it afterward is really not the issue anymore. It's not hurting EVE or CCP in the slightest. In fact, someone with 40 accounts makes CCP smile. Doesn't make it fair if those 40 accounts are automated though.
The point to ISB is to streamline the control of your toons. It doesn't "automate" a thing. It allows someone to arrange their screens and operate multiple accounts with ease and accuracy. It allows someone to view whats going on with any one ship at a moment notice by glancing around the screen. (I play on a 47" tv, and when properly setup, its a beautiful thing.)
ISB is not just about mining. Anyone that has used ISB knows full well the capabilities stretch way far and beyond the simultaneous spamming of F1 monkey style.
I never wanted to mess with ISB until i got a little taste, and its awesome. Try ISB ratting, or ISB running sites/missions. I run sites with 4 or 5 accounts and its a freakin blast. 10 accounts in a lvl5, pfft, childs play.
Im not trying to be snide, nor do I mean any disrespect to anyone. Just my .02
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Belt Scout
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.24 00:21:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Belt Scout wrote: The point to ISB is to streamline the control of your toons. It doesn't "automate" a thing. It allows someone to arrange their screens and operate multiple accounts with ease and accuracy. It allows someone to view whats going on with any one ship at a moment notice by glancing around the screen. (I play on a 47" tv, and when properly setup, its a beautiful thing.)
ISB is not just about mining. Anyone that has used ISB knows full well the capabilities stretch way far and beyond the simultaneous spamming of F1 monkey style.
I never wanted to mess with ISB until U got a little taste, and its awesome. Try ISB ratting, or ISB running sites/missions. I run sites with 4 or 5 accounts and its a freakin blast. 10 accounts in a lvl5, pfft, childs play.
Im not trying to be snide, nor do I mean any disrespect to anyone. Just my .02
So you're saying that a person with 20 active characters still has to click 20 times to activate 20 different modules on different accounts? I can understand that being legal but I get the firm impression that it's more often used to activate 20 modules with a single click. Which is it?
No I didnt try to say it like that, I apologize if it seemed that way. You only have to click one key and it stacks the command out to all ships. Picture having every screen perfectly identical to the others, then stacking them all up on top of each other. Clicking one button on the screen you're viewing, clicks the entire stack. That's how it works. What Im trying to convey is that this is only a small part of what ISB does. It allows me to fit multiple screen together in an arranged group without any borders. If you ever wanted to have multiple overviews lined up next to each other, this is what ISB can do. That sort of thing. Excellent when playing in a wormhole and i want cloaky campers all over the place watching for someone else to pop in. >:o)
Edited cz grammar and alcohol dont exactly go hand in hand.  |

Belt Scout
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.24 00:49:00 -
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I guess the real difference is the whole "automated" part to running software like this.
If you were to look at how a bot works. I bot is following a scripted set of commands. To keep it short, lets just say they are Undock, find rock, mine rock, redock, unload, repeat. over and over and over, all day long until sed bots owner comes home from work and stops the program.
Multi software doesnt "automate" like this. It just replicates a command the user inputs when that user presses a key or clicks the mouse over a target on the screen. It doesnt chain commands together, and it wont do anything if the player steps away from the kb.
By CCP's own definition, all they want is a human at the keyboard to operate their game. They dont want a player to start a program and leave for the day to let that program run routines from lines of script.
The real difference isn't about the number of accounts. Its the presence of a human to interact with the game while the client is logged in.
Gaming bots are bad because the user just starts a program and leaves. There is no warm body at the keyboard. |

Belt Scout
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.24 01:02:00 -
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Nidal Fervor wrote:Belt Scout wrote:I guess the real difference is the whole "automated" part to running software like this.
If you were to look at how a bot works. I bot is following a scripted set of commands. To keep it short, lets just say they are Undock, find rock, mine rock, redock, unload, repeat. over and over and over, all day long until sed bots owner comes home from work and stops the program.
Multi software doesnt "automate" like this. It just replicates a command the user inputs when that user presses a key or clicks the mouse over a target on the screen. It doesnt chain commands together, and it wont do anything if the player steps away from the kb.
By CCP's own definition, all they want is a human at the keyboard to operate their game. They dont want a player to start a program and leave for the day to let that program run routines from lines of script.
The real difference isn't about the number of accounts. Its the presence of a human to interact with the game while the client is logged in.
Gaming bots are bad because the user just starts a program and leaves. There is no warm body at the keyboard. Bots are not illegal because they automate input, they are illegal because of the advantage the software gives over a normal user. The advantage in the case of botting software is the automation. Automation is always an advantage so any form of automation in software is considered illegal. Isboxer doesn't automate in the same way as a bot as it requires user input for 1 screen and then the program sends the commands to all of the clients at once, it's not the same, but the advantage from the software is still there, and it's a big advantage. A normal player could not play 20 or 40 accounts farming isk, with isboxer, they can..
This is all i was trying to say. Thank you 
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Belt Scout
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.24 01:29:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Nidal Fervor wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:
Where does ISK boxing with 20 accounts gain you quicker ISK then what a 20 man corp mining with the same setup would?
Do you even understand how thing work?
Corps do not even come into this. A player isboxing 20 or 40 accounts is earning isk at a greatly accelerated rate. This is a clear violation of the Eula. You may not use your own or any third-party software that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play How is he gaining isk at an accelerated rate? is his mining lasers mining faster? Explain... Once again.. I will state. Learn how things work before you troll the forums. And it is very relevant what I asked. a 20 man corp with the same setup as a 20 account ISK boxer can do just as much in the same time.
I think this is because he is only seeing it as 'one' person making all this isk. He doesn't quite understand that each toon makes its isk at exactly the same pace as any other toon would when performing the same action.
The part of the EULA he is quoting is intended for those little cheat engines that are so prevalent in other games that make you run faster, shoot faster, whatever.
The OP needs to understand each toon is playing the game the way the game was ment to be played. (Human at keyboard, pressing buttons, and drinking, and laughing.) Then more drinking 
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Belt Scout
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.24 01:47:00 -
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Nidal Fervor wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Bots are bots. If it requires automation, it's not the player performing it.
The person who wants to run multiple clients should be required to give those clients their orders individually.
Using a bot to automate the giving of commands is using a bot.
And what's the policy on botting?
Ban ixboxers Exactly. They require 3rd party software to send the commands to the other clients, as many as they are running. The effect is the same as botting in every way.
Ok there's clearly no showing you the errors in your comprehension of the eula. Please stop bothering to quote it until you have a clear and concise understanding.
Let me ask you one final question. What if I used, say, 10 accounts, and EACH ACCOUNT was on a separate computer with its own keyboard and mouse, and I used an assembly of sticks to press the buttons ALL AT ONCE. Would this still be 'illegal' game play?
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Belt Scout
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.24 01:54:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Belt Scout wrote:Nidal Fervor wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Bots are bots. If it requires automation, it's not the player performing it.
The person who wants to run multiple clients should be required to give those clients their orders individually.
Using a bot to automate the giving of commands is using a bot.
And what's the policy on botting?
Ban ixboxers Exactly. They require 3rd party software to send the commands to the other clients, as many as they are running. The effect is the same as botting in every way. Ok there's clearly no showing you the errors in your comprehension of the eula. Please stop bothering to quote it until you have a clear and concise understanding. Let me ask you one final question. What if I used, say, 10 accounts, and EACH ACCOUNT was on a separate computer with its own keyboard and mouse, and I used an assembly of sticks to press the buttons ALL AT ONCE. Would this still be 'illegal' game play? oddly enough that is how ISK boxer works. I bet they would call it botting as well if you posted pictures on the internet of it.
Man, I was taking a sip of my coffee while googling "multiboxing with sticks" and this came up. My ribs hurt now. By the way, love ur sig.
http://gizmodo.com/5515135/mmorpg-multiboxing-gallery
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Belt Scout
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.24 01:58:00 -
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Klymer wrote:I love ISBoxer!
....the tears it generates are delicious.
You'd have to see iskboxer attack a gate camp. Its a freakin riot. Drop in at 25km, oooo, look at the pretty raven, blap alpha shot, move to next target, rinse and repeat.  |
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Belt Scout
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.24 02:32:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:But but but sticks is giving an advantage. Must ban sticks 
California will prolly jump on that whole stick banning bandwagon first.
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Belt Scout
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.25 12:50:00 -
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Good Posting wrote:Talking about isbox... i have a question and i don't think we need another thread, so here it goes.
I have only two accounts (main+falcon/logi) and i'm fine with alt tabbing but i would like to know if this program would make my eve life better. Probably this is a dumb question but i have no idea how isbox works.
I've been reading their site and i only find people using it with many accounts so i don't know if this would be appropriate for me.
With 2 accounts, i would say no. More so, with two accounts that do totally different things, then definitely no. ISBoxer is a tool to streamline the control of multiple ships that are doing the same thing. Lets say you had 8dps ships, 1 logi, and 1 salvager, then yes, ISB would be your new best buddy. Its a subscription based service ($15US for 90 days, or 50 bucks a year.), so setting it up for anything under 4 accounts probably isnt worth it. <<(my opinion anyway)
Its more than just a key action broadcaster however. From a video standpoint, you can manipulate your screens onto one larger monitor, large tv in my case, to put all the important info right in your line of site.
Watch the youtoob vids and the vids the dev has right on the ISB site.
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Belt Scout
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:13:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Robert Caldera wrote: sure, they allow automation tools of some kind, which they do for profit (as the only logical reason I see). This is what I'm saying the whole time.
But there isn't any automation in isboxer. It wont do anything without a human there.
Grrr Peeing into the wind.
Until some of these people understand the definition (5th grade Engrish) of the word "Automatic", then our efforts to shed them of their ignorance will continue to fall upon deaf ears.
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Belt Scout
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:36:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote: Stuff
au-+to-+ma-+tion noun \-îo¦ç-t+Ö--êm-ü-sh+Ön\ Definition of AUTOMATION 1 : the technique of making an apparatus, a process, or a system operate automatically 2 : the state of being operated automatically 3 : automatically controlled operation of an apparatus, process, or system by mechanical or electronic devices that take the place of human labor
What part of this can't you understand? It's so clear, it boggles my mind how you continue to troll your way around the EXACT Websters definition of the word.
Read it already, or have an adult read it and explain it to you. This stuff isn't hard. |

Belt Scout
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:44:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:you bolded the right part. isbox takes over human labour of clicking all your clients manually. This is why people use it.
There, see how that didn't hurt at all? You used the word manually. I'm glad you now know, with my help of course, understand the difference between the words 'automatic', and 'manual'.
/slow golf clap/
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Belt Scout
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:07:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote: So we're now back to the part where you're claiming ISboxer is a botting program & requires zero human input. I can't wait to see you backtrack from this again.
never backpedalled from anything.
Ok one more time. I can't keep doing this all day every single time you don't understand a complicated word. Id have to ISBox the Websters site just to keep up with you.
back-+ped-+al intransitive verb \-êbak--îpe-d+Öl\
: to move backward with quick steps Full Definition of BACKPEDAL : to retreat or move backward Examples of BACKPEDAL
The outfielder backpedaled a few steps to catch the fly ball.
Same as before. |

Belt Scout
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:16:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:I'll just report your posting for ranting and trolling, how's about that?
Im on your side man. You resorted to cursing a few posts back. Is that not reportable as well?
Lets just call it a tie, and this thread can get back on course.
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